Trump Grand Juror Goes on Bizarre Media Blitz, Says Multiple Indictments Recommended By Debra Heine
Before any indictments have been handed down, the foreman of the grand jury investigating election interference by former President Donald Trump and his allies in Georgia, is making the rounds in the media to discuss what was decided.
A special grand jury has recommended multiple indictments, according to the jury’s foreman, Emily Kohrs, 30, who appeared on CNN and MSNBC on Tuesday to talk about the case. Kohrs, an apparent Wicca enthusiast, has also spoken with The Associated Press, The New York Times and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
“Can you imagine doing this for eight months and not coming out with a whole list” of recommended indictments, Kohrs told CNN. “It’s not a short list. It’s not.” The grand jury, according to Kohrs focused on Trump’s infamous phone call with Secretary Raffensperger.
“There may be some names on that list that you wouldn’t expect. But the big name that everyone keeps asking me about—I don’t think you will be shocked,” she said.
When asked specifically whether the jurors had recommended indicting Trump, Kohrs said, “You’re not going to be shocked. It’s not rocket science,” adding “it is not going to be some giant plot twist. You probably have a fair idea of what may be in there. I’m trying very hard to say that delicately.”
Kohrs said she couldn’t remember exactly how many indictments the special grand jury had recommended, but indicated that it would be more than twelve.
Asked by CNN’s Kate Bolduan whether the number of people was “more than a dozen,” Kohrs replied: “I believe so. That’s probably a good assumption.”
Portions of the grand jury’s final report, released last week, made it clear that the grand jury believed perjury charges were warranted for some witnesses. The foreperson’s identity was first revealed by The Associated Press. And earlier on Tuesday, Kohrs told The New York Times that the grand jury recommended multiple indictments, though she didn’t provide names.
The grand jury met for about seven months in Atlanta and heard testimony from 75 witnesses, including some of Trump’s closest advisers from his final weeks in the White House.
Kohrs called on Fulton County’s Democrat District Attorney Fani Willis to take “decisive action” and if nothing comes of it she’ll be “sad.”
“Personally, I hope to see her [Willis] take almost any kind of decisive action, to actually do something,” Kohrs said. “There are too many times in recent history that seem to me like someone has gotten called out for something that people had a problem with, and nothing ever happens,” she added.
“How often does something actually happen? I would love to see something actually happen. Don’t make me take back my faith in the system,” Kohrs said. “The only thing I would be disappointed in, at this point, is if this whole thing just disappears. That’s the only thing that would make me sad.”
On her Pinterest page, Kohrs has shown an interest in witchcraft and the occult.
Later Tuesday, CNN’s Anderson Cooper and Elie Honig discussed Kohrs’ interviews and wondered if her media tour was “responsible.”
“First of all, why this person is talking on TV, I do not understand. Because, she’s clearly enjoying herself, but, I mean, is this responsible? She was the foreperson of this grand jury,” Cooper said.
“I was wincing just watching her eagerness to, like, hint at stuff,” Cooper added. Honig said the interviews were a “prosecutor’s nightmare.”
“Mark my words, Donald Trump’s team is going to make a motion, if there’s an indictment, to dismiss that indictment based on grand jury impropriety. She’s not supposed to be talking about anything, really. But she’s really not supposed to be talking about the deliberations. She’s talking about what specific witnesses they saw, what the grand jury thought of them. She says some of them we found credible, some we found funny. I don’t know why that’s relevant, but she’s been saying we found this guy funny or interesting. I think she’s potentially crossing a line here. It’s gonna be a real problem for prosecutors,” Honig said.
According to the Federalist’s Margot Cleveland, the grand jury’s recommendations are “bunk” because they are based on the Fulton County district attorney’s false representation of the evidence.
Since Fulton County’s Democrat District Attorney Fani Willis first sought to impanel a “special purpose grand jury” — “special purpose” because it can only make recommendations and cannot indict — to assist in her investigation “into any coordinated attempts to unlawfully alter the outcome of the 2020 elections in this state,” she has misrepresented the substance of Donald Trump’s Jan. 2, 2021, telephone conversation with Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.
According to Cleveland, Willis and the media continue to misrepresent what Trump said in his conversation with Raffensperger regarding Trump’s alleged request that the Secretary “find 11,780 votes” in his favor.
“As I’ve been forced to detail time and again because the corrupt media continue to lie about the conversation, the transcript of the call established that Trump did not request that Raffensperger find 11,780 votes. Period. It never happened,” Cleveland argued.
Trump, in his Trumpian way, had stated that he (not Raffensperger) had to find 12,000 votes because it exceeded the margin of Biden’s victory of 11,779 in Georgia—and he made clear that he had already found those votes.
The transcript of the conversation confirmed, Trump’s legal team told Raffensperger that it had solid evidence of illegal votes easily exceeding the official margin of Biden’s victory of 11,779. Under Georgia election law, if the “evidence establishe[s] that there are more illegal or irregular votes than the margin of victory, the remedy is a new election,” which is why Trump focused on his need to find 11,800 votes throughout his conversation with Raffensperger.
Trump repeated that refrain several times during the call, stating, “I have to find 12,000 votes and I have them times a lot. And therefore, I won the state.” Not once during their conversation did Trump ask Raffensperger “‘to find 11,780 votes’ in the former President’s favor.” Rather, Trump spoke of his own desire “to find 11,780 votes,” and did so in the context of highlighting the tens of thousands of illegal votes for which his legal team had ample evidence and they asked merely that the secretary of state review their evidence of illegal voting.
Because of the grand jury’s focus on questions of election fraud, the perjury charges, according to Cleveland, will likely be leveled against witnesses who testified honestly that they believed the election was stolen.
Sure, maybe one of the witnesses lied on some other matter, but the most likely scenario is that those called before the Special Purpose Grand Jury testified truthfully that the Georgia election results were invalid because of widespread violation of state election law — including an outcome-determinative number of illegal votes. But with Willis’ bait-and-switch focus on fraud, the citizen jurors saw instead perjury.
Therefore, the grand jury’s view “that perjury may have been committed by one or more witnesses testifying before it,” is questionable at best, and so are all the other jury recommendations.
“Those conclusions flowed from the case Willis presented to the Fulton County jurors—a case built on deceptions about a telephone call,” Cleveland wrote.
Trump reacted to the potential indictments on his platform Truth Social, Wednesday, calling the whole thing “ridiculous.”
“This Georgia case is ridiculous, a strictly political continuation of the greatest Witch Hunt of all time,” Trump wrote. “Now you have an extremely energetic young woman, the (get this!) ‘foreperson’ of the Racist D.A.’s Special Grand Jury, going around and doing a Media Tour revealing, incredibly, the Grand Jury’s inner workings & thoughts.” The former president added: “This is not JUSTICE, this is an illegal Kangaroo Court. Atlanta is leading the Nation in Murder and other Violent Crimes. All I did is make TWO PERFECT PHONE CALLS!!!”
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